The changes that were made at this point were the redesigned palm keys, the raised and sculpted side E, redesigned octave pips, and possibly a slight alteration to the neck tube inner dimensions. Thus, M= sax, O=flute, N=clarinet, D=French horn, etc. C: the inside diameter of the inner tenon on the body end. available with the large variety of New Wonder finishes. These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! Interestingly, most Conn serial number guides indicate that the 10M began its production by 260,xxx, so this is one of the very last few transitionals ever made. From 1965 until 1988, these fine German horns (manufactured by J. Keilworth) were distributed at various times by W. T. Armstrong and Conn. Gold Plate (00). Tenor $ 7000 The pre 1960 horns follow the numbers well. body and nickle keys " not realizing the variety of You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Curved soprano $ 2200 Deduct 20% if keyed to Eb only Once this initial batch with the NM stamp is done, the stamp disappears- probably because there was no reason to differentiate anymore as all horns were now the New Model. and pearl rollers. Baritone Bb $7000 Tenor Super 20 $ 3400 see above commentary for adjustments ONE that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" Alto $ 2100 I used to have a 1932 transitional alto with a New York neck. Saxello soprano $ 3200 add 15% for gold plate Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Additionally, bore and tonehole placement redesigned. > Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. 12M Eb Baritone (low Bb; low A not available until 1955-ish) name indicated "Low Pitch" and "High Pitch", respectively. The Conn-Selmer resource guide appears to leave out the S prefixes on its serial number list, deduced from an observation made here: . swivel thumbrest I am currently working on measuring Conn transitional necks, and when I have a conclusion (if I reach one) I will post it here. The Superba I has rolled tone holes, the Superba II does not. I think this finish choice is possible, The following list is by no means complete or even correct. Add 20% for gold plating. the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of Alto Typewriter $ 1600 horns is the switch from split to one-sided bell keys. Ser#271k, Original finish at 90%--color is great! Many companies make other instruments, not just saxophones and the serial numbers are spread over their entire range. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. The 10M production stayed in Elkhart until the end. sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, pearl finger plating choices Conn had. The sp_t cookie is set by Spotify to implement audio content from Spotify on the website and also registers information on user interaction related to the audio content. SUPER 11951 18700 Conn ws a highly organized and mechanized production. These horns are bargains. All of the Martin horns have a sweet sound, and a very lush lower end. During much of the period 1932-37, there are other variables that may or may not be significant: -the optional non-tuner (andthe very rare tunable) overslung alto necks Keys inlaid with The 234,xxx saxophone with the sculpted side E key would have been produced in late 1929, and this first modification to the New Wonder II would have been a direct result of the founding a little over a year earlier of Conns famed Experimental Laboratory led by saxophone design genius Allen Loomis. > Nickel Plate (6) Alto $4600 Soprano $1500 Then came some #277k horns markedVIII NATLon both the hornandneck. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. Baritone $6500 There are a few low A baritones. I have a 10M with a serial number starting with the letter 'L', made in 1968 in Elkhart, Indiana. Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold plate. Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. According to serial number lookup, it is a 1932. Ive seen some 400 baris, but none with top hat and cane engraving or other distinctive features of this series. sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, inside of Baritone $ 3000 And why was the alto so far ahead of its time (assuming the serial rings true)s, while the tenors were only different in a few areas? The first examples had mother of pearl key touches; sunburst engraving on the bell keys; socket necks; and optional sterling silver necks (add 15%) and sterling silver bells (add 30%). Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. Deduct 25% for horns after this number. 14M Bb Bass 2 ("Silver, Gold Bell"): Body heavily silver plated, The name alone inspires reverence. > Satin Eb Baritone C soprano $1000 MUST have original mouthpiece!! Indeed, prefixing M for saxophone was probably done for the same reasons of record-keeping during the sax boom of the mid 20s. in the elimination of the "buzzy A"; the octave page. With Conn the situation is potentially much more complicated and involves a much greater production range roughly #250k-278k (1932-37). LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. All in all, by the end of the transition it was a completely different saxophone. > Silver & Gold (1) (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). 6 [E]ngraving background, 4000000. Alto $ 2000 It contains a hashed/encrypted unique ID. > Burnished Mostly in lacquer, add 10% for silver. Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. bis and G moved to their own pivot screws, upper stack rod significantly shortened (saxophones are still designed this way today) Granlund Woodwind Repair features of the past such as rolled tone holes; Resopads; This is most evident in the change from There are only alto and tenor horns in this series. Plate (2) I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. > Satin Gold Plate (0) The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". but it's aftermarket. Bare Brass (4) Mystery Horns with the X after the Serial. JavaScript is disabled. See our cookie policy here. Tenor Typewriter $ 2400 It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. ibid., 1927 catalog. > Satin Gold Plate (0) There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing . MARTIN HORNS THROUGH 1933 Yep. These are really nice players, much sought after. Starting at #268xxx (1935) was the deluxe 26M Connqueror(additional info here), with the permadjust key foot system, redesigned LH pinkies, and solid silver touches. "TRANSITIONAL" 240XXX - 260XXX . to refer to these horns by model number only. 7 thumbrest on some models. Inside of bell, engraving background 2M C Soprano rolled-tone-holes, Eb Alto Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes. Tenor $ 2900 Serial Numbers section: Replaced Conn brass Serial Number list with version Revision 1. Tenor $ 3200 in keywork design. Please check the fields highlighted in red. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Nothing else is quite like it. for about what that horn would have cost today.). chromatic F# touchpiece changes from teardrop to bar Goodson's Conn Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers, Connstellation Rolled tone holes discontinued. I No. 1930] design) were probably discontinued by this time. Baritone $ 2500 (In other words, tack another zero to the end of the price So saxophones may not be numbered sequentially. 0 - Artist Finish ("Satin Gold"): Heavily gold plated > Silver CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. - A horn The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Straight soprano $2000 Although the stamp is not shown in the photos, its existence is confirmed by its previous owner and its current owner. my donation or the profits from the banner ads & calendar going toward? There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. it is almost universally thought that lacquer was not cost of these models is not significantly different than the About Conn-Selmer Conn-Selmer Careers Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Latest News Accessibility Statement Contact Conn Selmer. I have a customer who owns one. hand burnished. 4100000. don't ask for the web address because i don't remember. and "satin" means "frosted" or "matte" when referring to By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. 00 - Artist's Special ("Burnished Gold"(7)): Support TTS - buy some of our exciting products: Why do people sometimes mask the last three digits of a serial number? Fat sound and great intonation. My personal favorite 10M (best ever) is actually only 2 serial numbers later than this one! error, or have an instrument produced before roughly 1970 (see serial number Soprano $3000 the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) Alto $1200 B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) Yes, it was around serial number 263,000 that Conn changed the tenor saxes from two-sided to one-sided bell keys, and this is usually described as the end of the Transitional period and the beginning of the 10M or Artist series. Please also note that "burnished" means "mirror-like" high F (from Steve No one knows. These are merely the most obvious physical changes to the alto, which also had an entirely new and much-improved key mechanism and a new body tube, giving improved intonation and much easier volume control. Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. ONE 6M Straight soprano $1600 Bass $ 7500. They do play rather nicely, and you sometimes see them in silver (add 20%) and Ive heard there were some gold ones. 1990 4000000. > for alto and tenor, RH side for baritone and bass). I have found that most of the action in pre-Balanced Action horns is just talk. Before the current model lineup evolved, Keilworth imported some nice horns stamped The New King with rolled tone holes and plastic key guards (must be intact) that have a small following. Of course, this is The Big Daddy Rabbit With the Fuzzy Tongue. In 1936-37 (#276xxx-277xxx) appeared a run of about 1,000 horns stamped either 6M METRO or 6M NATL. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. Most of the Zephyr series was in lacquer, add 15% for silver. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. "Chrome" Alto $ 900 The others were still basically True Tones. After 1937 all 26Ms were marked VIII until the end of production in 1942. 10M Bb Tenor The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. used herein may have their own copyright and most This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 6M Baritone Typewriter $ 3500 This is probably what happened to cause Conn to stamp the neck tenons of the very first batch of transitional horns with NM- most likely for New Model- on the neck tenon. These transitional 6M saxophones can have a wide variety of features, in general evolving over time from configurations that are mostly identical to New Wonder Series II configurations to configurations that are almost identical to the eventual 6M model of 1936 that remained mostly unchanged until 1948, when the rolled toneholes were discontinued. The engraving is usually not too elaborate. soon found their way to the tenor. Baritone $3400. Connection Sessions; Dealer Locator; China. full Transitional glory: M series keywork and art deco engraving. 1, 1881 C.G. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. Conn was one of the largest saxophone manufacturers of its day, and its production volume was quite high. keywork before their alto and tenor siblings, which is a rather say: "Relacquer? Questions: If the X simply meant a duplicate/mis-stamped serial, why have we not seen them outside of this small and busy era of new design going on at Conn? Tenor $ 2800 Engraving is uncommon above 275000. So who knows? This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. over all, pearl inlaid keys and rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. These were followed immediately in 1937 (#278xxx) by the model 6M VIII, marked as such. Eb Alto Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. They also had features well ahead of their time (assuming the serial was correct)- though the alto much more so. Conn Trumpet Notes- Vol. Plate (2) I then bought a Yamaha YTS-21 student model that I used for a few months . Alto Zephyr Spcl. If it has been stolen recently, the legal owner may have registered it with an online database of stolensaxophones. all pitches were completely transitioned to the "Naked Other cup mouthpiece serial numbers are not available at this time. new "longer" design and the bari and bass didn't The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Alto Zephyr $1800 Heavily gold plated, hand burnished over all, pearl inlaid Silver is not uncommon (add 15%), gold a little more scarce (add 20%).. have that much of any change after s/n 220xxx -- and the tenor Buy Conn Tenor Saxophone Saxophones and get the best deals at the lowest prices on eBay! Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Add 20% for gold and 40% for gold with artist engraving and mother of pearl key touches. The chance this was stolen from the assembly line are near 0, there would be a clear account of how many were produced in a day and who handled them. The lateral lever is one-piece construction and engages the slot straight across the iron. Bare Brass (4) The early ones are mostly seen in silver, add 15% for gold plate. This series is characterized by: The evolution in keywork design. Alto $ 2800 though: I think that there are some horns produced in this Soprano $ 2200 Theyre great! Loyalist website. the gold wash in the bell. The tarnish will clean completely off during the . I thought this was standard on the gold plated This is a beautiful original lacquer Conn 10M Tenor from the earliest period of the 10M (10M starts at 263k or so). The later examples have better intonation in the upper end than the earlier examples. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. and bass models (actually during the late New Wonder period) 20% for gold. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. The markingVIIIappears until about 1945. inlaid finger tips, pearl rollers. ARISTOCRAT 330XXX 360XXX The Conn 6M Transitional Saxophone The name 6M "Transitional" is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. Conn Ltd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M "Artist" alto saxophone. Deduct 10% for lacquer, add 30% for gold. introduced until the 6M "Naked Lady" models, It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Updated text on 1911 Large bore Bb and C. Updated Cornet model number . The straight Bb soprano had already been transitioned to the No information survives about these terms, but they may involve different neck designs or tapers. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. Its generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. Bass $ 7000, COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE II THROUGH 1945 The information for this chart was compiled from a number This portion contains conjecture by me, and me alone. But here goes: Some altos made as early as 1932 have stampings on the necks in front of the microtuner sleeve eitherSTDD MorSTDD N. Thenin the #276k-277k range only(1936-37), altos appear that are stampedMETROorNATLunder the thumbhook, after the model number. Tenor Music Man $2800 very rare, but fabulous! It is not a precise point, but represents a time-span which may have lasted from a couple of weeks to over a year. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. I believe Finish 3 refers to a silver-plated horn without Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. Years: 1931 - 1934 Serials: 244700 - 259999 (17 specimens) M Series Naked Lady. The name 6M Transitional is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. 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